>> Bonnie: This week on To The Contrary: First, what's next after a history making election for women?

Then a Supreme Court without Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg?

>> BONNIE: HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, ANOTHER YEAR OF THE WOMAN.

WHEN THE 116TH CONGRESS CONVENES IT WILL BE THE MOST DIVERSE IN U.S. HISTORY WITH MUCH OF THAT DRIVEN BY WOMEN - >> CELINDA: IT WAS THE NIGHT OF THE WOMEN.

WOMEN VOTERS, WOMEN CANDIDATES, WOMEN DONORS.

I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT HAPPENED IN THE ELECTIONS IS THAT WE FILLED THE PIPELINE.

>> BONNIE: TWO THIRDS OF THE WINNERS IN HOUSE DISTRICTS THAT THE DEMOCRATS MANAGED TO FLIP WERE WOMEN GIVING DEMOCRATS CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER CELINDA LAKE EXPLAINS WOMEN TURNED OUT IN RECORD NUMBERS AND POSSIBLY MAKING UP 53% OF THE ELECTORATE.

>> CELINDA: THE WHITE COLLEGE-EDUCATED WOMEN CAME IN GANG-BUSTERS.

AND THEY VOTED, ALMOST 20 POINTS, DEMOCRATIC.

THEY TURNED OUT IN RECORD NUMBERS AND THEY REALLY WON THE HOUSE BACK, ALONG WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR.

THAT SAID, THE WHITE NON-COLLEGE EDUCATED WOMEN WE LOST BY DOUBLE-DIGITS, AND WE >> BONNIE: THERE WERE MANY FIRST.

THE FIRST FEMALE NATIVE AMERICAN US REPRESENTATIVES, DEB HAALAAND AND SHARICE DAVIDS WHO IS ALSO LGBTQ.

THE FIRST LATINAS FROM TEXAS, VERONICA ESCOBAR AND SYLVIA GARCIA.

LATINA ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, BECAME THE YOUNGEST WOMAN EVER ELECTED TO CONGRESS.

THE FIRST MUSLIM CONGRESSWOMEN WILL BE DEMOCRATS ILHAN OMAR FROM MINNESOTA AND RASHIDA TLAIB OF MICHIGAN.

MINNESOTA DEMOCRAT ANGIE CRAIG WILL BE THE FIRST LESBIAN MOM IN CONGRESS.

THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN FROM MASSACHUSETTS, AYANNA PRESSLEY AND CONNECTICUT'S FIRST BLACK WOMAN IN CONGRESS WILL BE DEMOCRAT JAHANA HAYES.

>> IT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING TO SEE SO MANY FEMALES PARTICIPATING RUNNING FOR OFFICE BUT YOU DO SEE TWO IMMEDIATE ISSUES.

>> BONNIE: AMY ROSENTHAL WORKS ON DIGITAL MEDIA FOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.

>> AMY: DEMOCRATS DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEIR MESSAGE IS MOVING FORWARD -- AND THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO TURN, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR MESSAGE IS AND TO TURN IT INTO LEGISLATIVE ACTION THAT WILL YIELD POLICY RESULTS.

THESE CANDIDATES ESPECIALLY THE FEMALES WHO HAVE FLIPPED SEATS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK.

THEY'VE SECURED THEIR SEAT NOW BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK TO KEEP IT IN 2020.

>> BONNIE: THERE WILL BE 23 WOMEN SENATORS UP FROM 22, AMONG THEM TENNESSEE'S FIRST FEMALE SENATOR REPUBLICAN MARSHA BLACKBURN AND JACKY ROSEN A NEVADA DEMOCRAT.

ARIZONA WILL ALSO SEND THE FIRST WOMAN TO THE SENATE - EITHER KYRSTEN SINEMA OR REPUBLICAN MARTHA MCSALLY.

AND WOMEN MADE FIRST TIME GAINS IN GUBERNATORIAL RACES.

DEMOCRAT JANET MILLS WILL BE THE FIRST FEMALE GOVERNOR OF MAINE.

REPUBLICAN KRISTI NOEM IN SOUTH DAKOTA, DEMOCRATS LAURA KELLY IN KANSAS, MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM IN NEW MEXICO AND GRETCHEN WHITMER IN MICHIGAN.

THE CONTROVERSIAL GEORGIA GOVERNOR'S RACE WITH DEMOCRAT STACEY ABRAMS REMAINS UNDECIDED.

ROSENTHAL SAYS REPUBLICANS HAVE TO ENLIST MORE WOMEN VOTERS AND CANDIDATES.

REPUBLICANS NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF RECRUIT WOMEN FOR HIGHER OFFICE.

WITH THAT SAID REPUBLICANS DID DO A GOOD JOB FLIPPING SOME SEATS AND I DON'T THINK ENOUGH CREDIT IS BEING GIVEN TO WHERE WE SAW WOMEN ELECTED.

>> BONNIE: LAKE SAYS WOMEN DONORS AND WOMEN ACTIVISTS WERE KEY TO THE WINS THIS WEEK.

>> CELINDA: SOME OF THE MOST EXCITING RESULTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT AT ALL , IS THE DEGREE TO WHICH WOMEN ARE CATCHING UP TO DONORS.

AND THEY ARE PARTICULARLY CATCHING UP WITH WOMEN CANDIDATES, AND THEY ARE CATCHING UP WITH IT BECAUSE OF THE NEW WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE RAISING MONEY, MORE ONLINE, MORE REPEAT DONATIONS.

SO FOR MOST OF THE WOMEN CANDIDATES, A MAJORITY OF THEIR DONORS WERE WOMEN.

>> BONNIE: SO REPRESENTATIVE, DOES TUESDAY ED ELECTION LOOK MORE LIKE A BLUE WAVE THAN A PINK WAVE?

>> IT DOES LOOK LIKE A BLUE WAVE THAT ACTUALLY BUILT ITS MOMENTUM FROM TUESDAY UNTIL NOW AND IT HAS A PINK TINGE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT WITH TWO-THIRDS OF THE DEMOCRATIC FLIPS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE WOMEN.

THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR WOMEN.

>> BLUE TRICKLE.

TRUMP MAY HAVE LOST 35 HOUSE SEATS BUT HE'S POSSIBLY GOING TO BE TWO ADDITIONAL UP IN THE SENATE.

OBAMA LOST 63 SEATS PLUS NINE -- SIX SENATE SEATS IN HIS FIRST MIDTERM.

CLINTON LOST 54 AND ANOTHER SIX SENATE SEATS SO BY COMPARISON, TRUMP DID VERY WELL.

>> AND YOU KNOW IT IS A DIVERSITY WAVE.

WHAT IS SO FUN IT IS THE SISTERS THAT ARE MAKING GOOD ON THE FOUNDING FATHER'S PROMISE FOR THIS DEMOCRACY.

PLURIBUS UNUM OUT OF MANY COME ONE.

>> I LOVE THAT.

IT WAS A PINK WAVE CERTAINLY BUT I SUBSCRIBED TO MORE WOMEN STRONGER DEMOCRACY AND I WAS DELIGHTED TO SEE THE PINK WAVE.

I JUST WISH IT HAD MORE RED IN IT AND PREDICTABLY IT DIDN'T BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO GET WOMEN OUT OF PRIMARIES AND HELP THEM OUT OF REALLY ANY RACES BECAUSE WE DON'T PLAY IDENTITY POLITICS.

>> BONNIE: WELL, OKAY.

THAT HAVING BEEN SAID THERE WERE TWO DATA POINTS THAT CAME OUT THIS WEEK OUT OF THIS WEEK THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME.

THE FIRST WAS THAT DEMOCRATIC WOMEN KICKED -- RECEIVED, WERE GIVEN MORE MONEY BY WOMEN DONORS THAN MEN -- THAN DEMOCRATIC MEN RECEIVED WHICH IS AMAZING BECAUSE IF WE HAD HAD LINDA CHAVEZ ON TODAY WHO RAN IN 86, 88 FOR MARYLAND SENATE, SHE SAID, WOMEN WOULDN'T VOTE FOR HER AND WOMEN WOULDN'T GIVE HER ANY MONEY AND THAT HAS ALL TURNED AROUND.

>> WELL, LINDA A REPUBLICAN STILL HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE CIVIL A PROBLEM GETTING WOMEN THROUGH PRIMARIES AND GETTING WOMEN TO GIVE TO REPUBLICANS.

>> I WANT EVERYBODY TO BEHAVING ON THAT ONE BUT ALSO, WOMEN -- WOMEN -- THE WHITE WOMEN VOTE ONLY WENT UP BY 4%.

ITTH IT IS NOW 35% DEMOCRAT AND IN TRUMP ELECTION IT WAS 35.

AND DON'T -- DON'T DEMOCRATS STILL HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO DO TO GET WHITE WOMEN OVER?

>> WELL, CLEARLY, I MEAN, THERE WAS A 20 PLUS POINT INCREASE AMONG COLLEGE EDUCATED WHITE WOMEN BUT AMONG NONCOLLEGE EDUCATED WHITE WOMEN, ACROSS THE BOARD OVERWHELMINGLY IN -- EVEN IN STATE RACES YOU LOOK AT SOME OF GOVERNOR'S RACES, YOU LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL HOUSE RACES.

THEY FAVORED THE REPUBLICAN AND, SO, I THINK THERE IS STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO THERE WITH OUR WHITE SISTERS.

AND BLACK -- BUT LISTEN.

WAIT A SECOND.

WAIT A SECOND.

BLACK WOMEN -- AND WOMEN OF COLOR OVER 90% FOR THE -- >> BUT I WANT TO GET TO THE HEART OF THIS.

WHY -- YOUR WHITE WOMEN FRIENDS, YOU ARE -- YOU KNOW, DYING BREED, A MODERATE REPUBLICAN OR AT LEAST YOU USED TO BE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THEY'RE HIBERNATING WE'RE GOING FOR COME BACK OUT.

>> >> BONNIE:.

OKAY.

BUT WHY -- WHY DO WOMEN CONTINUE REPUBLICAN WOMEN FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHITE WOMEN CONTINUE TO VOTE REPUBLICAN?

IS IT IMMIGRATION?

IS IT TAXES?

IS IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT -- >> A FEW THINGS.

JOBS.

NATIONAL SECURITY.

>> I THINK THEY TRUST REPUBLICANS ON THAT.

>> THEY TRUST REPUBLICANS GREATLY.

>> WHAT HAPPENED WITH SECURITY I FOUND THIS KNOCKING ON DOORS AND I LOCKED ON A LOT OF DOORS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

THE WOMEN WHO WERE A LOT OF THEM INDEPENDENT HAD VOTED REPUBLICAN AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF THIS SENSE OF OH THEY'RE GOING TO BE BETTER WITH MY DAUGHTER.

THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP ME SAFE.

THEY STARTED SEEING OUR ISSUES AS SECURITY ISSUES.

LIKE GUN SAFETY WAS VERY BIG.

HEALTH CARE WAS VERY BIG.

YOU MEAN IF I HAVE A PREEXISTING CONDITION I CAN'T GET HEALTH CARE?

THAT IS A SECURITY THREAT TO MY FAMILY.

>> YOU'RE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA AROUND THAT IS AN ANOMALY FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT GUN SAFETY.

>> I'M SURE YOU WERE DOWN -- I'M SURE YOU WERE DOWN STAMP CAMPING, TOO.

>> I WAS IN RICHMOND WHICH IS VERY RED.

THEY PUT ME IN THE INDEPENDENT DISTRICTS.

>> AND IT WAS -- THESE ARE SUBURBAN DISTRICTS WHICH WE SAW ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WENT TOWARDS DEMOCRATS.

>> NOW I THINK THE VOTER IS LOOKING AT OUR ARRAY OF ISSUES AS BEING SECURITY ISSUES.

I THINK THEY ARE.

>> I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT.

LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN GEORGIA TO KAREN LOSING TO KAREN McBATH.

WONDERFUL WOMAN FORMER FLIGHT ATTENDANT AND MOM OF A SON THAT WAS LOST TO GUN VIOLENCE.

>> SHE'S FROM GEORGIA.

>> REALLY COOL.

DECIDED TO GET UP AND CHALLENGE KAREN HANDLE WHO I MET EARLY ON WHEN SHE DECIDED TO RUN FOR TOM PRICE'S OPEN SEAT.

SHE WON THAT.

I LIKED KAREN VERY MUCH BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE.

LUCY JUST BROUGHT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SHE BROUGHT VERY MUCH NOT A CLOSENESS WITH TRUMP.

KAREN GOT PROGRESSIVELY CLOSER AND CLOSER WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP TRUMP IN A DISTRICT.

>> KAREN TO START OUT WITH WAS PRETTY FAR OFF THE LEDGE OF THE RIGHT-WING OF THE PARTY.

>> TO START WITH I WOULD NOT AGREE WITH THAT.

WHEN I MET HER SHE WAS PART OF A LOT OF MODERATE EFFORT AND GONE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH BARBARA CROM STALK AND THEY HAD DONE A RIGHT WOMAN TORE AND IT WAS OVER THE COURSE OF KEEPING THAT SEAT.

LAST YEAR.

THAT SHE BECAME VERY CLOSE TO TRUMP.

AND I WAS WORRIED BECAUSE I KNOW ROSWELL, GEORGIA A TOWN IN HER DISTRICT THERE ARE WHITE, YOUNGER, COLLEGE EDUCATE SUBURBAN YOUNG MOMS LIKE MYSELF THERE WERE HUH-UH.

NO GO.

NOT SURE ABOUT THIS.

>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHEN YOU REFERENCED IDENTITY POLITICS I THINK PART OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2018 THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN 2016 IS THAT WOMEN'S POLITICS WERE THEIR IDENTITIES AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCES AND THEN THAT -- GEORGIA RACE THAT WAS A VERY COMPELLING EXPERIENCE THAT LUCY McBATH HAS HER STORY THAT WAS PART OF HER IDENTITY AND BECAME PART OF THE POLITICS.

>> AND IT WAS HIGH FOR THAT.

LIKABILITY WAS HIGH FOR THAT.

>> WE HAD THE ONE MOM WHO HAD BEEN ELECTED AFTER GUN VIOLENCE AGAINST A LOVED ONE.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS AS LONG AS DEMOCRATIC ISSUES ARE, HEALTH CARE AND -- >> EDUCATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND JOBS.

>> AND JOBS.

WHAT -- WHY ARE THEY STILL NOT GETTING THE MAJORITY OF THE WHITE WOMAN VOTE AND CAN THEY IF BIG DEMOCRATIC ISSUES ARE ALSO LET'S INCREASE SUPPORT FOR POOR PEOPLE WHICH MEANS TAXING THE MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASSES AND IMMIGRATION WHICH MANY OF THESE WOMEN, THEIR JOBS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY BY UMBRANCE WHO WILL COME IN AND WORK CHEAPER.

>> WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE STRATEGY AFTER 2016, DEMOCRATS HAD A CHOICE AND THEY BET EVERYTHING ON WOMEN.

THEY RECRUITED WOMEN.

THEY STARTED RAISING MONEY FOR WOMEN.

THEY DID GOTV FOR TWO YEARS.

PUT $30 MILLION BEHIND IT.

AND THEY WERE PLUMBING A LOT OF THOSE WOMEN VOTERS.

SOME OF THEM ETHNIC, AFRICAN-AMERICAN >> BONNIE: I HEARD ON THE RADIO SOME REPUBLICAN GUY FROM SOUTHERN VIRGINIA COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAD SO MUCH MONEY AND THE REPUBLICANS JUST COULDN'T RAISE -- I MEAN FOR SO MANY YEARS WHEN I COVERED CONGRESS IN THE 80S AND 90S I REMEMBER I HAD COUSIN WHO WAS A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE MEMBER AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, SAM, THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO -- ARE OUT RAISING DEMOCRATS BY 4-1 AND HE SAID, GOOD, I HOPE THEY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY THEY DROWN IN IT BUT NOW, THE TABLE IS COMPLETELY TURNED.

>> WELL, ON THE CONGRESSIONAL SIDE IT DID.

BUT THE MAIN PARTIES STILL OUTRAISED THE DEMOCRATS BY A GREAT DEAL.

>> THEM.

A LOT OF MONEY THAT -- >> BUT I MEAN, THE STORY WAS A SMALL DONORS -- >> AND IT CHASED THE CONGRESSIONAL RACE.

YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW THAT -- 20-DOLLAR DONATIONS.

>> DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANYTHING DEMOCRATS CAN DO TO WIN WHITE WOMEN VOTERS AT THIS POINT AT 39% SNEE >> CHANGE THEIR POSITION ON JOBS AND THEIR POSITION ON NATIONAL SECURITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT THE HEALTH CARE IT IS VERY INTERESTING.

THE FACT THAT THEY DID WRITE HEALTH CARE WHEN PREVIOUSLY THEY LOST ON THE ISSUE OF HEALTH CARE BECAUSE THEY HAD NOT DELIVERED.

IT IS GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY DELIVER.

IF THEY DON'T DELIVER THE RIGHT THING AND ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT GIVES YOU LOWER PREMIUMS AND OUTRAGEOUS DEDUCTIBLES, THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE DRAMATICALLY IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

>> LOOK WHAT THEY DELIVERED ON.

THEY DELIVERED ON TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE PROTECTING PREEXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOWER THE COST OF -- >> THE REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME.

>> BUT THEY HAD NOT AND THEY VOTED AGAINST IT AND PEOPLE SAW THROUGH THAT.

THEY KNEW IT WAS NOT AUTHENTIC AND THAT THE -- >> THEY DID NOT CAMPAIGN ON IT IS THE PROBLEM.

>> THE REPUBLICANS WANTED TO CAMPAIGN ON OBAMA CARE GIVE ME A BREAK.

I THINK THAT HEALTH CARE WAS A HUGE ISSUE.

>> IT WAS.

>> DEMOCRATS RAN AND WON ON THAT.

THEY RAN IN PLACES LIKE OKLAHOMA AND KANSAS AND UPSTATE IN ILLINOIS.

THESE WERE REALLY AMAZING VICTORIES.

>> KANSAS -- >> SHARICE DAVIDS -- >> A LESBIAN WON A CONGRESSIONAL SEAT IN THE HEARTLAND.

YOU HAVE TO LOVE IT.

>> ALL THE STOTTED STUDIES DONE IN THE ECONOMY ABOUT THE AFFECT THAT WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP HAVE ON COMPANIES, ON SOCIETIESTH SOCIETY, EVERYWHERE IS -- SOCIETIES EVERYWHERE WOMEN ARE A SUSTAINABILITY PLAY.

WOMEN CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITIES AND CARE ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES AND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT YOUR SEEING.

LOOK AT VIRGINIA LAST YEAR WHEN THEY 11 OUT OF THE 15 WIN THERE IS WERE WOMEN.

VERY FIRST THING THEY DID WAS WE'RE GOING TAKE THAT MEDICAID EXPANSION MONEY.

THIS WILL HELP OUR FAMILIES.

IT IS THE VERY FIRST THING THEY DID.

I SEE IT IS INTERESTING TO WATCH BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOW MORE THAN 30% ALMOST JUST SHY OF 50% OF THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS IN THE HOUSE.

THEY'RE UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY MEN ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THEY'RE NOT 30% YET OF THE CONGRESS.

BUT THERE WILL BE AN AGENDA COMING FROM THE DEMOCRATS THAT IS GOING TO REFLECT A NEED FOR JOBS AND HEALTH CARE.

THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABILITY IN FAMILIES.

>> WHY DIDN'T DEMOCRATS RUN?

I MEAN, THIS IS CLEARLY NOT A NORMAL PRESIDENCY.

THIS IS CLEARLY -- AND MANY PEOPLE THINK MANY EXPERTS HAVE SAID THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT MENTALLY FIT FOR OFFICE.

DEMOCRATS DIDN'T RUN ON THAT.

WHY NOT?

I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN MAKING PLANS TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY IF HE'S RE-ELECTED IN 2020.

WHY -- THAT SEEMED TO BE A VERY SALIENT ISSUE.

>> WE FIND THAT INSIDE THE BELTWAY CONVERSATION.

I TRAVEL TO SOMETHING LIKE 40 STATES OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR HEALTH CARE.

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND EDUCATION.

THEIR JOBS.

THINGS THAT AFFECT THEM IN COMMUNITIES.

I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE REALLY SMART TO STAY FOCUSED ON RUNNING ON THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE THIS NARRATIVE OF -- IS JUST NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

NOW ACCOUNTABILITY AND OVERSIGHT IS AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE DEMOCRAT'S AGENDA BUT WE ALSO NEED TO FIX SOME ROADS AND BRIDGES.

>> BONNIE: I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES I WANT TO GET THROUGH AND WE ONLY HAVE FOUR MINUTES NANCY PELL LESSEE IS SHE GOING TO BECOME SPEAKER?

>> I THINK SO AND I WOULD VOTE FOR HER IF SHE'S THERE >> YES, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD MAKE SURE SHE IS.

>> FOR THEM IT IS A GREAT TARGET.

EXCEPT SHE WILL DO THIS TERM AND STEP DOWN AND -- IN 2020.

IT WON'T BE -- >> AND BUILD SOME LEADERSHIP.

AND BUILD SOME NEW LEADERSHIP.

>> I'M SORRY.

SHE'S A WOMAN LEADER.

SHE'S JUST HAD A GREAT SUCCESS.

I THINK SHE DESERVES IT AND IT IS NO ACCIDENT THAT THE BILLION DOLLARS THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS PUT BEHIND VILIFYING HER.

WE SAW WHAT IT DID TO HILLARY CLINTON AND OTHER WOMEN LEADERS.

THE FACT THAT -- >> IT IS A BILLION DOLLARS?

>> OVER THE COURSE OF HER CAREER IT HAS BEEN A BILLION DOLLARS.

NO SURPRISE SHE HAS BAD BRANDING ESPECIALLY AS FAR AS REPUBLICANS ARE CONCERNED.

>> LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY DEMOCRATS AND NATIONAL MEDIA HAVE PUT BEHIND VILIFYING DONALD TRUMP AND YOU SAY OH PEOPLE SAY HE'S UNFIGHT FOR OFFICE.

COME ONLY -- >> DID YOU WATCH THE LIVE THING WITH HIM IN THE OFFICE WITH -- >> LET ME FINISH.

LET ME FINISH.

>> CAN WITH CONWAY WEST?

>> OR THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

>> THAT WAS CONWAY NOT HIM.

>> HIM ARGUING LIKE A SIX-YEAR-OLD WITH REPUBLICANNERS AND THE PRESS IS MEAN CAN I FINISH?

CAN I FINISH?

>> NOT UNDERSTANDING.

>> JUST BECAUSE HIS RHETORIC IS NOT POLISHED DOES NOT MEAN IT IS MENTALLY UNFIT.

YOU CAN SEE TREMENDOUS RESULTS THAT IS WHY REPUBLICANS ARE STICKING BY HIM BECAUSE HE'S KEEPING HIS PROMISES.

>> HE'S DANGEROUS AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE.

HE'S INSIGHT VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR AND WE HAVE CHILDREN AND I DID NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.

I DO NOT STAND WITH THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT POOTS UP WITH HIM.

I'M FINE WITH REPUBLICAN POLICY AND LOVE HIM BUT THIS MAN CAME IN AND HIJACKED THE PARTIES.

WE'RE MODERATES AND DON'T BELIEVE THIS.

REALLY FAR RIGHT AND NOT ANNOUNCING WHITE NATIONALISM I HAVE HAD IT WITH HIM.

>> HE HAS.

-- >> ONE AT A TIME.

>> ONE AT A TIME.

>> HE HAS.

>> ONE AT A TIME.

>> RINA.

RINA.

>> I'M A BROWN WOMAN AND I'M TAKING GREAT OFFENSE TO THAT.

HE'S NEVER -- CALL HIM UP AND TELL HIM TO DO IT FROM THE PULPIT.

HE HAS NOT DONE IT.

PEOPLE ARE GO EGG TO DIE.

>> AFTER THE SHOW I'LL PROVIDE YOU MORE FROM -- >> AND -- >> WAIT.

WAIT.

FIRST OF ALL THE TWO OF YOU TALKING IT HAS TO STOP.

SECONDLY, HE IS NOT A WHITE NATIONALIST.

>> MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE THAT IMPRESSION AND HE WON'T -- YOU'VE CARRIED HIS WATER POND A LOT OF THINGS BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUND TO SAY -- >> YOU DON'T HAVE BROWN SKIN BUT TELLING YOU SHE'S A FRIEND BUT SHE IS -- >> YOU'RE MY FRIEND BUT YOU DON'T LIVE WITH WHAT I HAVE TO LIVE WITH I'M BROWN AND PEOPLE TELL ME TO GO BACK TO MY COUNTRY.

WHAT COUNTRY IS THAT WEST VIRGINIA?

I'M JUST AS AMERICAN AS ANY WHITE PERSON.

I'M JUST AS REPUBLICAN AS ANYONE ELSE.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> I HAVE CARRIED WATER FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE.

>> BONNIE: WE GOT YOUR MESSAGE NOW YOU CAN FINISH.

>> BOTTOM LINE HE HAS DENOUNCED WHITE SUPREMACY AND CALLED THEM OUT BY NAME.

>> WHEN?

>> OVER HIS CAREER.

I DON'T KNOW PROBABLY LIKE 10 OR 12 TIMES.

CHARLOTTESVILLE HE HAD A PART OF THAT THAT WAS BAD BUT CALLED THEM OUT BY NAME.

>> HE SAID BOTH SIDES WERE GOOD PEOPLE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE.

>> HE WAS SAYING GOOD ON BOTH SIDE BECAUSE HE WAS REFERRING TO PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE NOT THE WONDERS CARRYING TORCHES BUT THE ONE THERE IS TO DEFEND THE STATUTES BUT THE POINT IS -- >> WHY DOES THERE HAVE TO BE A MICROEXPLANATION FOR EVERYTHING -- >> CAN I FINISH?

CAN I FINISH?

>> HE NEVER DENOUNCED WHITE NATIONALITYIST -- >> YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

>> HE DID.

>> TRUTHFULLY.

>> I ABSOLUTELY AM.

HE DID; HOWEVER, WHAT YOU ARE ALL SAYING POINTS OUT THAT HE DID IT BADLY.

THE MESSAGE GETS LOST BECAUSE HE SAYS ONE THING OFF AND THAT BECOMES HISTORIC.

>> HE SHOULD TWEET IT LIKE HE TWEETS EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> HE HAS WE HAD IT.

>> NO.

>> DON'T DO THIS -- I'LL GIVE YOU THE STUFF AFTERWARDS.

YES.

HE MISSPEAKS AND SAYS THINGS IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO INTERRUPT IT THE WRONG WAY.

HE DOES HAVE TO BE MORE CLEAR IN THE FUTURE.

HE'S NOT A RACIST.

>> I WANT TO GET TO THE DEMS NOW AND YOUR HUSBAND IS IN CONGRESS AND YOU WERE IN THE HOUSE.

THEY NOW HAVE SUBPOENA POWER STARTING IN JANUARY.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO USE IT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE -- YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE HERE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THING THAT THEY GET IS OVERSIGHT.

THE OTHER THINGS IS AN AGENDA.

AND WHAT WE LEARNED IN ALL THOSE RACES WHERE PEOPLE DID NOT MAKE IT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

THEY DID MAKE IT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, HEALTH CARE, THE ISSUES.

THERE'S AN AGENDA THERE THAT THEY'RE JUST RARING TO GET TO AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT WILL BRING JOBS.

THAT WILL BRING CONSENSUS WITH REPUBLICANS.

THAT IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE.

NOW, YES, THERE WILL BE OVERSIGHT.

WE NEED TO SEE THIS PRESIDENT'S TAX FORMS AND LIKE ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN MODERN AMERICAN HISTORY.

CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE OVERSIGHT.

THAT IS THE ROLE OF CONGRESS.

VIS-A-VIS THE FEDERAL AGENCIES.

>> BONNIE: ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE DONE WITH THIS SEGMENT AND OUT OF TIME.

I WISH WE HAD MORE.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER @BONNIEERBE.

FROM WOMEN DOMINATING THE ELECTIONS TO THE LIBERAL LIONESS OF THE SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG WAS HOSPITALIZED EARLIER THIS WEEK AFTER FALLING IN HER OFFICE AND BREAKING THREE LEFT RIBS.

ALTHOUGH SHE IS EXPECTED TO RECOVER FULLY, HER INJURY BRINGS THE FOCUS BACK TO HER AGE.

ALTHOUGH SHE HAS SURVIVED DISEASES SUCH AS COLON AND PANCREATIC CANCER AND SHE HAS PREVIOUSLY BROKEN RIBS, THE 85-YEAR-OLD HAD NEVER BEFORE MISSED A SUPREME COURT MEETING.

NOW SHE MISSED KAVANAUGH'S INVESTITURE, AND POSSIBLY MORE.

SO MEGAN BUYER, WHAT WOULD A SUPREME COURT WITHOUT RUTH BADER GAMESBURG BE LIKE?

>> WELL, IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE THING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO BE NO BALANCE LEFT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE NOTORIOUS RBG KNOWS SHE HAS A GREAT WILL AND INTENDS TO STAY IN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS LIKE HER PREDECESSOR, THE JUSTICE WHO SHE REPLACED AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT AS OF TODAY SHE'S OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.

SO LET'S NOT ENVISION SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE TO ENVISION.

>> BONNIE: YOU HAVE PREDICATED THE ROE VERSUS ROW VERSUS REMAIN THE LAW OF THE LAND EVEN IF FULL OF HOLES VERSIONED VERSION IS STILL THE LAW OF THE LAND AS BEING PREDICATED NOW ON JUSTICE ROBERTS' SWITCHING OR KAVANAUGH -- >> KAVANAUGH DOING WHAT HE SOLD SUSAN COLLINS HE WOULD DO AND THAT IS UPHOLDING PRECEDENT.

>> BONNIE: YOU CAN SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT BUT WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY THERE IT IS SOMETIMES YOUR JOB OR YOU CAN MAKE IT YOUR JOB.

>> RIGHT.

GINSBERG COULD BE THE FIRST SEAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY TRULY TIP IT -- >> BONNIE: HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> REMAINS TO BE EXPERIENCE WHO THEY PUT UP.

>> UH-HUH -- >> OBVIOUSLY IF THEY DO -- >> BONNIE: I'M JUST CONFUSED.

>> HE'S ALREADY SAID HE WON'T APPOINT ANYBODY BUT A JUSTICE WHO WILL OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE.

>> HE SAID HE WON'T ASK THEM WHAT THEIR POSITION IS BEFORE HE NOMINATES THEM.

>> BONNIE: YOU DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO KNOW?

>> HE PROBABLY WILL KNOW OR AT LEAST THINK THEY'LL KNOW.

MY POINT IS IF THEY DO OVERTURN ROW THE PARTY WILL PAY A PRICE JUST LIKE THEY DID IN 89 THROUGH 92.

SO IT IS UP TO THEM.

>> DONNA.

>> YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT RBG IS GOING TO BE AROUND FOR THE THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AND -- >> BONNIE: SHE WORKS OUT EVERY DAY.

>> SHE DOES.

ALSO, I THINK MISSING A -- AN ORAL ARGUMENT OR MISSING A MEETING DOESN'T IMPACT WHAT SHE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO ON THE COURT.

I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OVERBLOWN.

I WILL SAY TO ME THE NEXT DANGER IS THAT EVERYBODY THAT COMES OFF OF THAT FEDERAL SOCIETY LIST COMES OFF OF IT FOR A REASON.

THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT AND I BELIEVE HIM.

WHETHER HE ASKED THEM OR ASKED NOMINEE OR NOT, I'M PRETTY CLEAR THAT HE IS LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT ROE VS. WADE IS OVERTURNED.

>> DO YOU KNOW KAVANAUGH WILL VOTE TO UPHOLD ROE AND DOUBLE JUSTICE ROBERTS WILL SWITCH IF NECESSARY TO KEEP IT THE LAW OF THE LAND?

YES OR NO, BECAUSE WE GOT TO GO.

>> NO.

>> BONNIE: OKAY.

>> BONNIE: THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION.

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